Is justice delivered justly to all or are some groups better served by the justice system than others? Indigenous Australians are overly represented in prisons and Aunty Barbara Nicholson helps give a voice to inmates from Junee Correctional Centre and other prisons with the Ngana Barangarai (Black Wallaby) project and publications. Veronica Gorrie’s new book When Cops are Criminals examines the widespread problem of police brutality and corruption from different perspectives. Together with Wiradjuri Elder Aunty Bronwyn Penrith, they talk justice and injustice as well as the role of Elders with Larissa Behrendt.